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Álvaro Siza Vieira

«May younger generations strive to uphold the significance of an architect.»

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He has turned drawing lines into the guiding principle of his life, which has propelled him into a career of national and international recognition. From the Pritzker Prize to the Leão de Ouro, from social housing to museums and art centres, Álvaro Siza Vieira’s work continues to be a benchmark for new generations of architects. At the age of 91, hiseveryday life continues to be dominated by his craft, which he says is essential to prevent him from getting even older. In his studio he channels the inspiration he absorbs from the buzz of the city, continuing to design a unique legacy on a daily basis. 

Tell us a bit about your daily life... Is it here, in your studio, that you spend most of your time?
Yes, because I can’t travel, I have back problems. If I didn’t, I would be travelling, because I do most of my work in China and South Korea. But now it’s work-from-home.

Even though you’re not travelling nowadays, where do you go for inspiration?
The inspiration is in the air, it’s in the cities... Inspiration doesn’t come from within, it comes from the outside. It enters through the eyes and goes up to the head, and therefore there is no shortage of stimuli, references for ideas to come and innovation to take place. And there is no shortage of history, which is so abundant in Portugal. And then there’s the movement of the cities, multiplied, because everything is connected these days.

Does coming here and continuing to work and do what you love help in keeping you young? Does an artist never get old?
No, it has to be... If I didn’t work, like any mortal, the only work would be mental and physical ageing, which is what you do after a certain age. But working means thinking, taking responsibility, which is fundamental, if only to avoid ageing even more.

Having lived through so many different eras, including in terms of architecture, how do you think about it today as it faces such concrete challenges? For example, the issue of sustainability and even a new spatial concept of the home... How is architecture thought of today?
The concept of sustainability has always existed. A house has been a shelter, a place for the family to rest and develop for centuries. Now there are new demands, basically for a better way of life, but on the other hand, there are also greater drawbacks. The increase in the idea of sustainability in all debates is also closely linked to unsustainability. There are also more demanding problems, because there is more foreseeable oversight, let’s call it that.

Do you think there is a generalised idea that architects only work for the rich?
This is one of the unbelievable distortions that are part of the campaign against architects, which in principle also means against architecture. Architects have always assumed they work for the masses. In the 1920s and 1930s, the most notable works of architecture, by the most celebrated architects, were for social housing. This is the legacy of those years. The idea that architects only work for the rich is an invention, a regrettable distortion, which only stems from other interests, but let’s not go there.

You have worked all over the world... Is there a city or country that particularly fascinates you in terms of architecture?
To a certain extent, every country has something particularly interesting about it. I like all cities and all countries, some for one reason and some for another. Then, of course, there are the pinnacles of beauty, but this isn’t general, although the personality of the people is always present. If we think about Paris, Venice, Naples, New York, there’s a particular intensity, a particular authenticity... This may include a lot of fake stuff, but what remains is the authenticity. When skyscrapers grow like plants in New York, this is not the architects’ whim, but economic and social concessions. Now, when you put up a tower at the foot of the [Arrábida] bridge that is taller than the bridge or than a national monument, the result is a bad one. That’s not to say that it’s ugly, but rather that it’s inappropriate, it’s fake, it lacks authenticity.

We have more and more foreigners with a lot of money who are investing here. Do you think Portugal has luxury potential?
There are luxuries, but there are also inequalities, and they are very evident. Portugal is very peaceful. But everything that exists in other countries also exists here. There will also be some interest due to a certain underdevelopment in relation to other countries. But I think that many people come because they find it more peaceful, they are beginning not to come because of the cost of living. This is the main reason I see. The climate, the natural and built beauty, the presence of history in the landscape and perhaps a little, too, the major differences in the landscapes of such a small country.

You also work a lot with the Asian market. What are the challenges in working for these countries?
I almost only work for the Eastern market; in Portugal I have very little work. The experience I have is in China and South Korea. Excellent working conditions. And the number one reason is clients who want quality, who treat architects very well, who don’t say that they are capricious and who provide good working conditions. You can feel a desire to do things with quality. Such a thing is rare here.

Do you see yourself as a man from Oporto? Do you value your roots?
I like living in Oporto, apart from having friends, etc., I even like it from the point of view of the climate. Oporto is also a city with a beautiful physical backdrop. It’s the river... Oporto exists because the river exists. It has great geographical and climatic conditions and, as such, this is also one of the reasons why historically it has very good architecture. I feel good here... Now I regret not being able to travel. It would be great to get out and see other things... You can’t have everything.

Do you feel adequately recognised in Portugal or is there a lack of recognition?
Sometimes it even makes me uncomfortable... I have a lot of interviews, for example (he laughs)... For some people there is recognition, for others there isn’t... As always. What there is now, and this is the overall feeling, is actually a very harsh relationship with architects as professionals. I’m not complaining personally, nor do I see anything personal in it. If you talk to other architects, you’ll see that it’s not whinging, but that the conditions really are terrible and that most of the impositions come from the European Community, so they’re repeated in every country except Switzerland, which is the only country where you can work in architecture in peace. Here, for example, copyright no longer exists. An architect no longer has the copyright he used to have. That’s tremendous. There really is this weakness in the demand for quality, it’s obvious and it’s starting to show in the landscape.

«I regret not being able to travel. It would be great to get out and see other things...»

Was being honoured with the Pritzker Prize always positive or do you think it harmed you professionally at some point?
I was very pleased, I really liked it. It also opened doors for me to other countries. Not any more than that, and it also has its drawbacks. There is a certain pleasure in failing the projects of someone who has been reported in the newspapers as having won such and such a prize... This brings to mind the last verses of Camões, which refer to envy, which he felt very strongly. But that’s part of human nature.

You once told Villas&Golfe that you would have liked to be a sculptor. Would you still say that if you hadn’t pursued architecture, you would have been a sculptor, or is there another profession you would have liked to pursue?
When I was five, I wanted to be many things. I wanted to be a fireman, like all children. At one point I wanted to be an opera singer, because my father sang very well, he had a beautiful baritone voice, but he was never a professional. He was an engineer, but at family parties he would sing for the other clowns or something like that... These things influence a kid. I wanted to be a footballer, but that’s part of every childhood. Then there are external factors that lead to a certain choice. When you get older, in general, you change. Fortunately, otherwise the fires would be more out of control...

You’ve done practically everything already... What are your next challenges? Is there anything you’d still like to accomplish?
No one has ever done practically everything... I would like to accomplish what I have the opportunity to do, what interests me and what I need, I don’t have any particular goals. I’ve had opportunities and have made the most of them, for better or worse, as I was able to. The first project I remember doing, when someone asked me to design it, was a chicken coop. And I got angry with the client straight away. I’m sure he had his reasons, because I wanted to make it, to build it... So, I focussed everything on making a chicken coop, it was a special chicken coop. Maybe it still exists, it was here in the Gomes da Costa neighbourhood. It was cylindrical. It could have been art or it couldn’t have been... Or it was just rubbish, I don’t remember.

And have you ever designed or built a house for yourself?
I have only done one, in Évora. The house I live in was designed by another architect, a good friend, a great architect. I don’t think I would be a very good client. It’s difficult, because doing a house for yourself is a very limited, obsessive thing, and there tends to be a lack of dialogue, which is an essential component for doing anything.

How did you come up with the house in Évora?The Évora house came about at a time when I went to Évora practically every week, I had a big job there, which was basically a whole part of the city, several hectares of social housing, and which lasted for many years. I worked in Évora for about twelve years and I was tired of hotels or staying with friends. So, at a certain point, in the project I was doing, there was a cooperative part and a private initiative part, and it was cheap, so I bought a small plot there and built a two-bedroom house. I took the opportunity to do certain things that I couldn’t convince the client of. So, I put in those things that I thought were very useful and that I couldn’t put in the project. And then I invited the people to come and see it and they liked it. It was a very simple thing, to put the water pipes and all the plumbing in plain sight, because the construction was very cost-effective.

What do you do in your spare time apart from architecture? Do you listen to music, read...?
Music, a lot... I come home and switch it on, it doesn’t cost a thing. I also watch a lot of television.

You have already created some religious art. Are you a man of faith? Do you believe in God?
Well, I’ve never seen him, it’s hard to imagine... What I do believe in is that there are currents of solidarity, which aren’t very often seen these days, with an atmosphere of brotherhood that has to do with thoughts I hear on the goodness of God. Now, I’ve never seen him... I can’t imagine God with his beard and all... Religiosity is a broader thing, it’s not just about God with his beard.

If you went back, is there anything in your life that you would change?
I think this is problematic because it could change for the worse... It’s enough as it is.

As an architect who is admired by so many young people, what would you say to this new generation of architects?
To fight for the possibility of upholding what the architect means for the construction of a city, for spatial planning, for sustainability. They have to fight for this. The first thing is to achieve working conditions and to recognise the role and the importance of the architect in the team that is responsible for a project nowadays. The secret of good architecture lies in training, in the existence of a team that understands each other, that debates freely and without reservation, that reaches consensus on what to do.

How would you define yourself in one word?
Me? There’s no point in defining myself, because I am defined, if I am defined at all, and this happens, by many people. Some are favourable, some are unfavourable, that’s what happens to everyone. But solidarity, probably.


«The first project I remember doing was a chicken coop. It might have been art or it was just rubbish»

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